well if you not planning to run pump gas then yes up the compression but i think you should reach your goal dude should be a nice build have fun with it.

Yeah compression should be around 12:1 or 12.5:1. Rough estimate. I haven't calculated it yet. I can safely run 91 or 93 on 12:1, but any higher, even 12.7:1 and I'll need to run 100.

Ok. Got a few more additions to this thread:

I'll be using 100 low lead for fuel. This is aviation grade gasoline used in most 4 and 6 cylinder aircraft reciprocating engines. The Lycoming O-540 is a 540 cubic inch horizontally opposed 6 cylinder making upwards of 400hp at the prop depending on temperature and water content in the gas.

I WILL get the block sleeved, but not posted and I realized the GE upper block girdle will not work with the Dart sleeves.

Also, I have to go with 84mm pistons seeing as how no one I've found has 83mm pistons listed. And I'm doing to use the ENDYN/Wiseco Rollerwave pistons.

Looks like my Static CR will wind up being 12.39:1 with an effective CR of 12.29:1. Rod ratio will stay the same at 1.54:1, but I wanted that to stay the same so I'm happy. This is with .050in total head and block milling, 137mm rods, 89mm stroke, 2 layer .019333333in head gasket, 84mm bore, 1972.87cc displacement, 211.84mm deck height, 9500rpm, 500 feet elevation.

I'm getting excited.

ya its possible u gotta get a type r oil water pump and type r oil pump. in my OPINION theres alot u should learn b4 you start this build! check out... http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1676914 this will help!

Ok. Did you read the WHOLE thread before posting?

I don't need an ITR water or oil pump. They are EXACTLY the same as the GSR pumps... Check the part numbers. I dare you.

ITR oil pump: 15100-P72-A01
GSR oil pump: 15100-P72-A01

ITR water pump: 19200-P72-013
GSR water pump: 19200-P72-013

Source: hondapartsunlimited.com

You don't have to look it up, I did it for you. Check it if you don't believe me. I used the 2001 GS-R and 2001 Type-R as the source cars to keep the variables to a minimum.

I've built Honda engines before. I've also spent countless hours researching every aspect of this build. I've also consulted SEVERAL professional engine builders regarding this particular build and they all agree that it will work with the set up listed on the first page... I've also already read that thread. I was a part of Honda-Tech, but the people over there are retarded so I came here to get away from it all.

I won't run 250hp as a daily driver. It'll be my track whore and MAYBE get about 100 miles a year on the streets. I can get two Hondata s300 units and run 210hp on the street if necessary with very few changes, and then 250hp on the track in the same day by changing those few things back. Timing will be advanced pretty far for the 250hp and set a little closer to stock on 210hp.

Ok, Update:

I'm going to get a B18A1 instead because it's readily available to me and it's only going to cost me $75 for the bare block.

I know it's an A1 instead of a B1, but I know for a fact that the blocks are identical except for the letter stamp. Woo!

Now comes the hard part:

Saving money to get it sleeved and bored.

Go for it man! Even if you break 200whp, that'll be good enough for me.

That's my thoughts exactly. I'll have the satisfaction of having built my own engine in my garage/bedroom, and I will have a 2200lb car with right around 220-230hp at the wheels if I can't get 250hp. IMO, that is sex.

Amen to that! Sexy time indeed.

that was pretty much the same setup I had. I bet larry told you 250-300 hp was in range? Not true just to warn you.

I have never talked to Larry over at ENDYN except for asking him how much the B-series VTEC head will cost with their bumpstix. I know 300hp is out of range. I'll be lucky to get 250hp, and, like I said several times before, I would be happy with 220hp. If I hit 250hp, then fuckin' right, that's bad ass! If I "only" hit 220hp, I'll still have the satisfaction of having built my whole car in my living room and garage, AND I'll have a 220hp, naturally aspirated, ITB'd, Acura Integra. How many people can say that? Not a whole lot, in my opinion.

I don't mean to come off as rude, if I have, but I know the limits and parameters of the B18 and all the parts I'm using. I should come pretty close to my goal, but I don't expect anything more than 250hp.

Good Luck with your build man. Tuning will be key of course. Side note, for LS/Vtec you need the b18c1 (gsr) oil pan, pickup, and windage tray if you plan to use a girdle.

This post was last modified: 10-22-2008 10:36 AM by IcemanGSR.

Actually I can modify the B18A1 pan to fit the girdle in there. By modify, I mean either banging the shit out of it on a sand bag with a dead-blow hammer, or cutting and welding up a deeper section for more capacity. I'll probably wind up beating the shit out of it seeing as how I already have a sandbag and dead-blow...problem is I don't have an oil pan yet...

Already bought the GSR pickup and I'm in the process of cleaning it. Soaking it in engine degreaser for a few days because that thing is NASTY like you would not believe.

And of course, tuning is absolutely necessary for anything more than just starting the engine.

It's going to take a while considering I barely make enough money for gas and a few meals.

Funny...I got all the parts he mentioned that you need...not in the best condition but if you wanna cover shipping, they are all yours bro.

You've got to be kidding me. Bang the oil pan to fit? Dude where do you get your information? That is the worst idea I've ever heard of in my nearly 10 years of auto work. Do you know what kind of engineering goes into designing and producing an oil pan? Their shape is very important in keeping oil where it needs to be. Why do you think they are so expensive? Not to mention banging it with a hammer will weaken it, and though it's not common, I have seen more than my share of OEM oil pans that have met their demise due to rocks, potholes, and curbs.

You're going to dump all this money into a kick ass engine build and then piss it down the tubes with a ghetto oil pan. $500+ pistons, hundreds in machine work and internals. Dude wait another week, save up another $200 bucks and get yourself a gsr oil pan you can bolt right up. http://www.lightningmotorsports.com sells them. In fact they sell everything you would need to do ls/vtec.

Don't even try and justify the use of a "modified" oil pan like that to me either. Anyone, I repeat, ANYONE who would suggest this to someone should never be giving out advice or building anyone's engines. I don't care if it's a garage grease monkey or a shop owner. Shame on them 1000x over.

This post was last modified: 10-23-2008 02:14 PM by IcemanGSR.

Ok, I'm not dumb. I've drawn it out, calculated the capacity at an extra .75qt. Figured out the location and size of the baffles. The whole nine yards.

I'm not just another 20 year old with stupid ambitions. I know what I'm doing, and I have the resources available to do what I need to do.

If the "modified" oil pan doesn't work out in my favor during the process, I'll grab a pan from a GSR. If I'm not cofortable with the ihtegrity of the "modified" pan, I'll get a GSR pan. I can get an A1 or B1 pan for cheap. I can't get a GSR pan for cheap, at least I haven't found one yet.

You ask me why I'm going to do it? I say because I want to. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone ever. I figure, why not? If nothing else, I come out with a good learning experience.

Dunno how I never came across this thread before. Looks like a kick ass build though man. At the rate both of us are saving money, it looks like we'll be doing our builds at about the same time. Your build is probably a little bigger than mine though haha. I'm jealous. Good luck though man! Keep us updated.

Well I don't really make enough money to save a whole lot.

I'm trying to save the $2000 to get the block sleeved, but that's not working out too well right now.

It's going to take several years, especially because nobody is hiring inexperienced 20 year old kids.

This post was last modified: 10-24-2008 08:31 PM by ThatOneDude.

I know what you mean man. I'm 20 and the only jobs I can get are at bars/restaurants or fuckin' grocery stores. They laugh at me whenever I go into a service shop and ask for an app, when I can bet I could do a better, FASTER brake job than the other people that work there. It's frustrating but what can you do.

It takes me FOREVER to save up money too man, I know the feeling. It'll all be worth it though.

Affirmative.

Have you guys tried dealerships? I got a job as a porter at an Acura Dealership at 18. They let me help on all kinds of projects.

What kind of education/experience did you have going into this job? Or did they just take you under their wing and teach you everything?

i guess it all depends on the area. my first job was working at a shell gas station when i was 16. by the time i was 17, they were letting do basic oil changes. by the time i was 18, they let me rotate tires and change breaks. n then after that, it was pretty much easy to get a job somewhere dealing with cars. i worked at a toyota dealership for about a year as mechanic apprentice. u pretty much learn as u go i guess.

The Acura dealership around here doesn't hire anyone without an ASE certification unless you work in the car wash. They pay $6.50/hr and with my school, I would get fewer hours than where I'm at now. I just applied at Autozone because my friend can get me in right away, so we shall see how things go from here.

lol. i used to work at advanced auto. THAT, my friends, is were u find all the stupid people i swear. but there was a killer 20% discount on everything. that was pretty awsome.

I went in for an initial interview with the general manager of the store today and it went well. He's going to foreward my application to the district manager for a formal interview sometime next week.

Good luck with the job.

Eventually, i plan on building my 200WHP B17 project. But first, my turbo B16 for 300hp (flywheel).

with "proper tuning" u can easily push a stock b16 block 500hp.

i call bullshit on the entire build. wheres the pix?????

Congrats. You read Honda Tuning. Good job.

Oh and since you called bullshit, who the fuck are you anyway?

So what if he doesn't have fucking pictures. If you wanna see em' that bad, fucking Google it.